For being such a small gun, the trigger on the XL is pretty darn good. The trigger is sure safe enough, but I'll admit I'd like to see SA shave a hair off the dingus so people can shoot them with their fingernail. JavaScript is disabled. I learned a lot here as a 365 owner. The thing that the P365 does really well for shooting is that while the grip is small, the actual trigger break is in the same place relative to the palm... as a G19. Fore/aft and recline. Trigger. Enter the guys at Apex Tactical, who fortunately live … You won’t be disappointed! The Hellcat has a very good trigger safety installed. Shooting the Hellcat: very similar to the P365. We got the Glock 48 and 43X, which offer ten rounds in a slightly bigger platform, and SIG released the bigger P365 XL model. I’ve gotten approved but didn’t show back up tonight to test fit myself getting in from my wheelchair.. Good luck with your purchase. The Springfield Armory Hellcat is the world’s highest-capacity micro-compact defensive pistol. Thing is a beast. The Hellcat version ships with the Apex Action Enhancement Trigger, Sear Spring, and Striker Spring. The other features of the Hellcat put me over the top. That trigger safety is one of the reasons I got the Hellcat over the 365. Compared to a full-size duty gun, small pistols require far more work (and frustration) to extract top performance. When ready to fire, a deliberate press of the trigger disengages the trigger safety and begins the rearward travel of the trigger assembly. I didn’t find it to be spectacular but also did not experience any real issues with it. When so many things about the Hellcat are above average it is almost disappointing to have an average trigger. -JCN-, Oct 8, 2019-JCN-, Oct 8, 2019. grumpy1, jhc37013 and zaitcev like this. Aug 26, 2020 160 284 48 Keller, Texas . He also needs to learn how to use a trigger. Not good! The more I read and watch, the guy in that original video exaggerates to the extreme. Yeah I need hand controls I’m paralyzed from chest down and my whole spine is fused.. May be easy for you but I’m trying to imagine the awesome throttle feel by hand! (Photo/ Richard Macchia) Trigger stacking is defined as an increase in spring pressure the further a trigger is pulled to the rear. It has trigger safety (the lever protruding from the center of the trigger) which must be depressed fully to allow the trigger to be pulled and the gun to fire. The trigger on the Springfield Armory Hellcat is a pretty standard striker-fired trigger. Recent Posts. I didn't care for the trigger or the recoil on the Hellcat. It gives me a little Glock knuckle so I dremmeled some extra undercut behind the trigger guard. The real difference is the way the trigger feels. The purpose is to make the gun safer to carry with a loaded chamber. Try it out. Oct 22, 2020 #4 I came to the same conclusion as you so I decided on either the hellcat or the p365. Interestingly enough many people on YouTube are modifying their trigger safety and making their gun potentially dangerous to themselves. The Springfield Hellcat has proven a popular choice for concealed carry pistols since its release. Cannae Legion Day pack – Five Minute Find; Primary Arms SLx 1-6 Raptor FFP Review – Fastest range estimation ever? Suggest you watch PRP video on install, I could not have done install myself with out the video. Installation of the Apex Trigger . I can appreciate letting the public know of failures of a new firearm, but it doesn't appear to be all that wide spread. The Trigger Point. Now Apex Tactical is offering their premiere trigger … Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! This is likely why we haven't seen a video of it happening with actual shooting. The grip is a little chubbier. Recoil really reminded me of shooting a 40sw 01-19-20, 21:22 #8. Even in a no stress situation when it would happen to me it took a few seconds to realize what was going on, in a full on stressful situation? This is within factory specs for safe on duty/off duty carry. There was some confusion as to what is actually happening. It comes with a non-proprietary rail system that any manufacturer can make parts for. JavaScript is disabled. Video worked for me. The video was simply showing what I was trying to get across. It joined the family stable of our SRT Jeep and my supercharged Challenger. Power tilt telescope column too. Stronger internals and more doo-dads. As FYI I am having issues with my Hellcat ftf on Sig V Crown both 115 and 124 grain HP and also Black Hills.Already returned once to Springfield and still having same issue. So, reloading or manipulating the slide will hopefully not be an issue unless you have a malfunction. Keep in mind this is a subcompact pistol. PX Member. Leave a Comment / April 3, 2020 November 20, 2020. Is it a Challenger? I didn't have a problem with mine until I saw the video and recreated what he was doing. With that in mind, it it is great news to hear that Apex Tactical has introduced a NEW Action Enhancement Trigger to improve the Hellcat’s trigger pull, travel, and break. A forum community dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles owners and enthusiasts. After that experience I can definitely see how a problem like this could potentially get someone hurt or killed if it happened at the wrong time. Howe… Here is a video on how I fixed the trigger “issue” on the Springfield Armory Hellcat. Again, a bit of light side pressure on the Hellcat trigger causes the trigger safety to not be depressable, while on Glocks and the mossberg that light side pressure isn't an issue- it still allows the trigger safety to function. It is something you need to experience to fully appreciate, but be warned…once you do, you will not look at a micro pistol with a curved trigger the same way again. When properly installed, this drop-in trigger will: – Reduce trigger pull weight to 5.0 to 5.5 lbs after break-in period No real issues to worry about. The Hellcat features either an 11+1 flush fit magazine or a 13+1 extended magazine depending on what you choose to carry. She has adopted the Hellcat as her gun now, so her opinion matters the most. But the stock Hellcat trigger has some issues that the Apex fixes. Be comprehensive. Is this a term yet? HellCat.org is a forum dedicated to the Dodge Challenger and Charger SRT Hellcat & Demon. The Redeye is on another level vs the regular hellcat. One of my favorite things about the gun is the same style texture that they use for the grip, located where your index finger should rest on the frame when you’re keeping that finger off the trigger. You know, unlike when the P365 failures started to popped up all over the interwebs, this is the only place I can find that is discussing the failures of the Hellcat. These are great cars and I wish I had the opportunity to own one but I am very pleased with my Hellcat. I submit to lightening the mood of the thread. The Hellcat trigger pull weight as tested was 5.43 pounds. I went from a 2016 Hellcat to a RE and it feels more aggressive which im sure is due to the 3.09’s I made sure to get when I ordered it. So I’m really close to pulling the trigger!whats the man issues with a red eye hellcat,? The Hellcat is an awesome gun. Minuteman. The trigger issue made me feel uncomfortable. The OSP variant model was only $30 more than a standard Hellcat. The Hellcat, besides being equipped with a trigger-lever safety, has a passive striker-block safety that is deactivated to allow the striker to move forward and strike a primer only if the trigger is pulled. The last video from ROLLINS 9 MM posted here gives a solution that works very well to smooth out the trigger. Reactions: Jefe's Dope. BETTER engine. :wacko: Again you're fabricating- this thread never mentioned Springfield's leftist politics until you just did. People who have been shooting the pistol have not reported having an issue because they actually put their finger on the trigger correctly. Springfield Hellcat 9mm Subcompact Pistol Accuracy Results. Get the Redeye! That's exactly what most actual Hellcat owners are saying. This is a very, very brand loyal forum and that is not necessarily a bad thing. The striker tip is meant to hit and stop at the primer, thus negating other parts slamming hard metal. Its definitely a nice little gun. The safety blade is doing exactly as intended. I thought the same thing. Also, pressure can be applied from various angles without binding the trigger safety, which was an apparent issue for some with the original Hellcat trigger. It has the Demon engine, the better driveshaft, the stronger differential case and very different axles. That is a mouthful against that Hellcat that has nothing wrong with it. Like we both mentioned, very little negative chatter about Hellcat issues. It comes with a flat-faced trigger with blade safety. The most prominent issue is that if you put sideways pressure on the trigger before attempting to pull straight back, the … Installation of the Apex Action Enhancement Trigger on the Springfield Hellcat is straightforward. The striker issue has become silent as well because people actually read the manual and were told to stop dry firing the pistol non stop without snap caps. The purpose is to make the gun safer to carry with a loaded chamber. It is NOT a gun problem, but rather a technique problem. Sig’s little 9mm has made a big splash in the market, and it changed what concealed carry looks like. It should be a very safe firearm to carry, draw or holster. Well, it will be soon. I stop carrying Glock for the same issue. Now it is much better. https://www.deseret.com/1989/3/17/1...on-charges-of-taking-bribes-in-salvador-sales, Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I had to do very little filing and now that "problem" is gone and the safety works fully. The trigger really doesn’t feel that good from a gun store counter perspective. LOVE THIS GUN! Check out our full review here. The Hellcat, besides being equipped with a trigger-lever safety, has a passive striker-block safety that is deactivated to allow the striker to move forward and strike a primer only if the trigger is pulled. Mean Bone. After 200 rounds I bought the Sig P365. Pull trigger correctly and follow instructions when dry firing. Check out both front seats. G. gnx1234 ... 2020 Challenger Hellcat Redeye Wide Body - Octane red, 3.09's, black Laguna leather, red belts, sunroof, nav, perf spoiler, C/F suede package, brought home 7/17/2020 2016 Hellcat - A8, pitch black, black Laguna leather, black wheels, nav, … It's designed to prevent the firearm from discharging even if the safety eventually is depressed by lateral side pressure. In the few videos I have seen, the Hellcat (terrible name) experiences the same tendency as the P365 which is the slide not always locking back on the last shot fired. Discuss modifications, engine specs, pricing and more! The concept is nice, but I’m still not completely on board with that U-dot setup. Most of us know we must depress the dingus for the trigger to work. HKPro is so loyal they don't even have a general weapons forum. The Action Enhancement Trigger for the Hellcat pistols is the easiest, quickest upgrade you can do to the trigger system that significantly improves the feel of the trigger pull, without reducing factory safety values. I think personal experience on the range would trump these one off forced failures. The Hellcat has a flat-faced trigger which helps to facilitate proper placement of the pad of your trigger finger and a straight rearward press of the trigger – which is a must for accuracy. The only reason I state this is that we have a full family of Hemi’s and many before and no real issues with any of them. Backrest manual. Drivers power is odd too. As a carry gun, however, the Hellcat blew me away. Packing 13+1 rounds of 9mm chaos into a package that fits in your front jeans pocket, the Hellcat changed the concealed carry game. The flat faced Hellcat trigger allows the break to come while the trigger is well forward that of most curved triggers. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It seems like the issue with the Hellcat is similar to the issue with the PM9. Trigger very smooth but takeup will still be present, I feel comfortale carrying the gun now. It comes with a spare 13 round magazine. I wouldnt worry, they have these cars pretty well sorted by now. I just emailed two videos to them showing it failing to feed and they tested it with Federal HST JHP and it does feed that flawless as I tested myself. Took a 7# pull down to 4# pull and no more safety lockup so far. The guy in the video below gets 5 different pistols to do the same thing using crappy technique. The P365 proved you could take a tiny gun, and cram ten rounds into it and have it take up the same space as a single stack 9mm. The Apex Hellcat trigger kit passed every single drop with no safety problems. At this point the Hellcat is loaded. Seems every time a new gun is introduced it has some initial growing pains. The sights on the Hellcat are, honestly, a little ‘meh’ after using them for a few months. The trigger includes a safety blade (like many other handguns) that must be depressed for the gun to be fired. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Feels almost like a different car, overall feels the same but better if that makes sense. It has takeup, a wall, and then a slight bit of heavy creep before it breaks. Springfield Service is no very good so far. After shooting both as range rentals I went with the p365 for a few reasons. Very unhappy, I installed the PRP kit and it cleared up all the problems I was having with the trigger and I am very happy with gun now. Oddly enough I had this same problem with a g19 size Polymer 80 build not to long ago. The complete Press Release from Apex Tactical regarding this can be read below: Carry-wise the Hellcat carries just a tad larger. No problem. I have to unholster and holster often and feel better, even though I'm careful, with a little extra trigger safety but I am not thrilled with external safeties. It’s grip texturing is smooth to the light touch, grips when gripped back, and covers more of the firearm. The Hellcat™ employs a proven trigger safety mechanism that is used in many of today’s most trusted firearms. With these small guns, it is very difficult to eliminate the effect of the shooter's grip not engaging the slide catch during firing. After a few rounds with the Hellcat I started to get what I call the Glock .40 sting from the web of my hand down to the palm. I have it now, and I'm carrying it in the same Alabama kydex pocket holster. The trigger on the Hellcat is comparable to similar market options. The Hellcat is equipped with a trigger safety meaning that there is a small lever ahead of the actual trigger that must be actuated to allow the trigger to be depressed and the gun to fire. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 9 of 9 Posts. Hellcat Trigger Issue Fix. The striker tip is meant to hit and stop at the primer, thus negating other parts slamming hard metal. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Jgault Sergeant of the Hide. Our sample originally tripped the gauge at a healthy 7.25 pounds with a certain amount of grittiness before the break and being trigger snobs, that didn’t cut it. All testing was filmed with high-speed cameras to analyze potential problems. With the installed Apex trigger, the Springfield Armory Hellcat measures around 5.1 lbs on the trigger scale. Psgr seat manual only. Apex says these components "significantly improve the feel of the trigger … The striker issue has become silent as well because people actually read the manual and were told to stop dry firing the pistol non stop without snap caps. The trigger wall is too close to a fully closed hand. So it's time for a Springfield Hellcat trigger job. 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